Posts by Nathan Natas

came out as an apostate to the wife, came out about the depression, anger at being second fiddle in her life to 9 old guys in brooklyn, came out about having turned atheist, came out about the indiscrections, the tobacco use, everything.. fuck.

me..

Nathan Natas

Just a couple of thoughts, NVL:

You said you have no friends. It may seem that way right now, but you also mention you had an "indiscretion" with someone. I would point to this as evidence that you are not the socially inept basket case that many JWs are. What ever you did, you convinced someone to join you in doing the deed. If you really have no friends right now, that will soon change, because you know how to behave in social situations. Just stop wearing the chicken suit.

Second bit of advice: when it becomes clear that a divorce is imminent, find out who ALL of the best divorce attorneys in your immediate area are and VISIT THEM ALL FOR A FREE CONSULTATION. By doing this, you will have tied their hands - they won't be able to take your wife's case against you, even if they are not the attorney you end up working with. The result will be that you will have a very good attorney, and she will have a not-so-good attorney. This gives you an advantage.

Third bit of advice: tell your kids that you would not be disfellowshipped if you had never gotten baptised. Explain that you made a mistake, but in the eyes of the MEN who judged you you were not repentant enough, so they disfellowshipped you. Tell them that if they get baptised, then someday they could be disfellowshipped for not living up to ANOTHER MAN'S standards. Explain how the elders are almost always a bunch of hypocrites with skeletons in their own closets, but that the WTB&TS allows the elders to protect each other while prosecuting members of the congregation for lesser evils.

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need info on...

by notverylikely in

i am putting together some things to bring up when the elders talk me (i got ratted out for being apostate), so i need some info on the following.

i am putting some of this together myself, you you folks here seem that have that stuff handy .... - list of babylonian kings on the cd (which articles) to show 587 is the date the list gets you to.

- article that the wt wrote saying that if you study the bible on your own you will turn apostate (i seem to recall it, but not sure if it exists).

Nathan Natas

I would like to ask what you hope to accomplish by making a defense.

Do you think they willl change their minds and not disfellowship you? They won't.

Do you think they will say, "By willikers, You're RIGHT!" and join you? They won't.

You are not dealing with men who have any sense of REAL justice, but with people whose Watchtower-trained™ minds have been bent and distorted. They FEAR truth. They do not want to hear anything you have to say.

You would actually have more of an impact on them if you did not show up for your execution and thus forced them to see how impotent they really are. You have better things to do with you time. Isn't there a movie you wanted to see, or someone you wanted to make love to?

Do as thou will is the law.

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Armageddon -- Are we there yet?

by FatFreek 2005 in

sometimes a child (dennis the menace) can ask embarassing questions in the presence of an adult who doesn't have a clue (the infamous pointy-haired boss).. len.

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Nathan Natas

It's closer than the inside of your eyelid!

Oops! You just missed it!

... now we gotta wait for the end of the one thousand years...

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What do you think about the anointed?

by MrFreeze in

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do you think most of those who claim to be anointed are faking it or do you think they actually believe they are anointed?

it's something i've always wondered..

Nathan Natas

Titus asked,

TD said that here was one "anointed" poster few years ago.

Does anybody remember who was that?

Yes, that was AMAZING!, aka Jim Whitney, who has returned to his Roman Catholic roots. Look up AMAZING!'s posts in which he discusses the whole anointed phenomenon - it offers some good insights.

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What do you think about the anointed?

by MrFreeze in

jw
friends

do you think most of those who claim to be anointed are faking it or do you think they actually believe they are anointed?

it's something i've always wondered..

Nathan Natas

I don't want to condemn them all with one broad stroke.

I believe some of them may be fakers and frauds, like for example, our old pal Ted Jaracz, who decided he was anointed after he understood it was the only path to power. Yes, I judge him.

I have known some wonderful and dear people who claimed to be anointed, and I don't think they were making the claim for personal reasons.

I think they are sincere in their beliefs, which I also believe are entirely incorrect.

It's like this - when you were a kid, did you ever have a dream that you got a pony or other wonderful thing for your birthday? Then you wake up and remember that you live in a small apartment in the Bronx, and that ponies are not allowed.

I guess there's no harm in thinking you're of the anointed - they aren't Muslim homicide bombers, after all, just people all caught up in the Jesus thing.

No harm done, live and let live. Peace be unto you.

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Overlapping Generations

by elder-schmelder in

i think that this explains it best !!.

one of the critical and most debatable assumptions we have maintained thus far in our arguments is the assumption of successive generations.

in other words, we have assumed that, every period, a new generation arises and the old one dies off.

Nathan Natas

So the Society is depending on the wisdom of economists and their calculus?

Then the WTB&TS is doomed. They've made sure that most of their mind-numbed robots can barely balance their checkbooks, let alone understand the calculus.

"She has FALLEN, you people! Babylon the Great has fallen!"